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		<title>Comment on I-5/RQ and CRC Freeway Expansions: At the Crossroads of Portland&#8217;s Future by Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/i-5rq-and-crc-freeway-expansions-at-the-crossroads-of-portlands-future/#comment-18858</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair point.  I meant to raise a larger point of how we invest and where we invest.  If we&#039;re making claims about safety, let&#039;s get real about that.  Deleting the ramps for instance would be a dramatic safety improvement over what is currently proposed.. that doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t other factors at play, but ODOT continues to harp that this project is all about safety. They are also making similar claims about the CRC&#039;s bridge and interchanges.

Here&#039;s an interesting study out from Metro today: http://news.opb.org/article/local-study-shows-main-streets-are-more-accident-prone-highways/?utm_source=Sightline+Newsletters&amp;utm_campaign=e056dfa420-SightlineDaily&amp;utm_medium=email

Freeway caps are AMAZING compared to none at all.  In my experience however, they look dreamy on paper and are prohibitively expensive.  There is nothing that would preclude ODOT from drawing up a great plan, appealing for funds, and then deleting the lids as non-essential when cost savings is necessary.  This is a cycle repeated through history time and time again, and they often use such infrastructure to delight the neighborhood activists.  Well this time it didn&#039;t work, at least not in our neighborhoods--Eliot and Irvington said NO to the plan.  Sadly, I can&#039;t say the same for the other active transportation advocates at the table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point.  I meant to raise a larger point of how we invest and where we invest.  If we&#8217;re making claims about safety, let&#8217;s get real about that.  Deleting the ramps for instance would be a dramatic safety improvement over what is currently proposed.. that doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t other factors at play, but ODOT continues to harp that this project is all about safety. They are also making similar claims about the CRC&#8217;s bridge and interchanges.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting study out from Metro today: <a href="http://news.opb.org/article/local-study-shows-main-streets-are-more-accident-prone-highways/?utm_source=Sightline+Newsletters&#038;utm_campaign=e056dfa420-SightlineDaily&#038;utm_medium=email" rel="nofollow">http://news.opb.org/article/local-study-shows-main-streets-are-more-accident-prone-highways/?utm_source=Sightline+Newsletters&#038;utm_campaign=e056dfa420-SightlineDaily&#038;utm_medium=email</a></p>
<p>Freeway caps are AMAZING compared to none at all.  In my experience however, they look dreamy on paper and are prohibitively expensive.  There is nothing that would preclude ODOT from drawing up a great plan, appealing for funds, and then deleting the lids as non-essential when cost savings is necessary.  This is a cycle repeated through history time and time again, and they often use such infrastructure to delight the neighborhood activists.  Well this time it didn&#8217;t work, at least not in our neighborhoods&#8211;Eliot and Irvington said NO to the plan.  Sadly, I can&#8217;t say the same for the other active transportation advocates at the table.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I-5/RQ and CRC Freeway Expansions: At the Crossroads of Portland&#8217;s Future by Michael, Portland Afoot</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/i-5rq-and-crc-freeway-expansions-at-the-crossroads-of-portlands-future/#comment-17657</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael, Portland Afoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 06:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand your argument that because freeways are (in the aggregate) safer than surface streets, we should stop attempting to make freeways safer and/or stop incentivizing further freeway travel.

I&#039;m also unclear on what exactly a freeway cap would look like. Could it have sidewalks? Grass? Buildings? Any of this seems a lot nicer to me than the existing open highway, which certainly functions as a scar through a potentially exciting neighborhood, and which as an occasional car driver I do indeed find unsafe.

On the other hand, it&#039;s a very expensive investment in urban highway transportation.

Not making arguments here myself, just trying to understand the ones at play in order to cover this intelligently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand your argument that because freeways are (in the aggregate) safer than surface streets, we should stop attempting to make freeways safer and/or stop incentivizing further freeway travel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also unclear on what exactly a freeway cap would look like. Could it have sidewalks? Grass? Buildings? Any of this seems a lot nicer to me than the existing open highway, which certainly functions as a scar through a potentially exciting neighborhood, and which as an occasional car driver I do indeed find unsafe.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s a very expensive investment in urban highway transportation.</p>
<p>Not making arguments here myself, just trying to understand the ones at play in order to cover this intelligently.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Update on the Studded Tire Ballot Initiative by Jeffrey Bernards</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/update-on-the-studded-tire-ballot-initiative/#comment-14834</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Bernards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If studded tires were required to get anywhere in the winter you would have a 100% use rate.  According to ODOT&#039;S 2000 study only 30% of drivers use studded tires in Eastern Oregon.  I talked with the Redmond police dept. recently and they stated they don&#039;t use studded tires.  Excluding the road damage cost they said studless snow tires were cheaper to use &amp; safer than studs in a wider range of winter driving conditions.  Studded tires are an ice tire who&#039;s performance is on ice, which is 1% of Oregon winter driving conditions.  Studded tires have a negative safety performance on all conditions except ice and studless tires perform comparably on ice.  So basically in the big picture all around winter driving is safer with the modern Snow &amp; Ice tires, like the Bridgestone Blizzak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If studded tires were required to get anywhere in the winter you would have a 100% use rate.  According to ODOT&#8217;S 2000 study only 30% of drivers use studded tires in Eastern Oregon.  I talked with the Redmond police dept. recently and they stated they don&#8217;t use studded tires.  Excluding the road damage cost they said studless snow tires were cheaper to use &amp; safer than studs in a wider range of winter driving conditions.  Studded tires are an ice tire who&#8217;s performance is on ice, which is 1% of Oregon winter driving conditions.  Studded tires have a negative safety performance on all conditions except ice and studless tires perform comparably on ice.  So basically in the big picture all around winter driving is safer with the modern Snow &amp; Ice tires, like the Bridgestone Blizzak.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Update on the Studded Tire Ballot Initiative by Michael, Portland Afoot</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/update-on-the-studded-tire-ballot-initiative/#comment-14758</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael, Portland Afoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple days ago I heard a very confident, angry case from a liberal Democrat in Baker City who said that though the Willamette Valley may not need studded tires, snow tires just don&#039;t work in east-Oregon hills in winter. Studded tire bans should be enacted at the county level, she said.

What&#039;s the counterargument?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple days ago I heard a very confident, angry case from a liberal Democrat in Baker City who said that though the Willamette Valley may not need studded tires, snow tires just don&#8217;t work in east-Oregon hills in winter. Studded tire bans should be enacted at the county level, she said.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the counterargument?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What a Left-side Cycletrack Might Look Like by Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/what-a-left-side-cycletrack-on-williams-could-look-like/#comment-13634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice.  

I see that &quot;right turn waiting refuges&quot; are located to the left of the cycletrack.  Versus the current PBOT/Alta proposal for the N Williams Cycletrack, where they are to the right of the cycletrack.  

It&#039;s an interesting choice.  

To the left is a little more conventional.  You&#039;re waiting the edge of the intersection, waiting to cross the entire street.  Its a standard place to wait, you&#039;re out of harms way of cars, you can back up and be on the sidewalk if things get sketchy.  But, you need to cross an entire roadway -- 40 feet wide.  (8&#039; buffered bike lane, 8&#039; parking lane, 2 12&#039; driving lanes).  You need to wait for a simultaneous gap in bike traffic and car traffic, which will incur longer delays.  

Too the right is less conventional, more exposed, but more expedient.  You only need to wait for a gap in cars, and you only need to cross a 24&#039; roadway.  But you&#039;re also in a spot where vehicles (bikes or otherwise) are unexpected -- with the front end of the vehicle 16&#039; out from the curb, inches away from passing cross traffic.  

I think I prefer the &quot;Chicago&quot; style to the proposed Williams style, just based on &quot;safety before convenience&quot;.  

But its an interesting question.  

Thanks for posting, 
Ted Buehler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice.  </p>
<p>I see that &#8220;right turn waiting refuges&#8221; are located to the left of the cycletrack.  Versus the current PBOT/Alta proposal for the N Williams Cycletrack, where they are to the right of the cycletrack.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting choice.  </p>
<p>To the left is a little more conventional.  You&#8217;re waiting the edge of the intersection, waiting to cross the entire street.  Its a standard place to wait, you&#8217;re out of harms way of cars, you can back up and be on the sidewalk if things get sketchy.  But, you need to cross an entire roadway &#8212; 40 feet wide.  (8&#8242; buffered bike lane, 8&#8242; parking lane, 2 12&#8242; driving lanes).  You need to wait for a simultaneous gap in bike traffic and car traffic, which will incur longer delays.  </p>
<p>Too the right is less conventional, more exposed, but more expedient.  You only need to wait for a gap in cars, and you only need to cross a 24&#8242; roadway.  But you&#8217;re also in a spot where vehicles (bikes or otherwise) are unexpected &#8212; with the front end of the vehicle 16&#8242; out from the curb, inches away from passing cross traffic.  </p>
<p>I think I prefer the &#8220;Chicago&#8221; style to the proposed Williams style, just based on &#8220;safety before convenience&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But its an interesting question.  </p>
<p>Thanks for posting,<br />
Ted Buehler</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Time to Ditch Thermoplastic by mh</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/its-time-to-ditch-thermoplastic/#comment-13387</link>
		<dc:creator>mh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thermoplastic, if not done competently, can be really slippery. The city had to re-do the boxes on Clinton at 39th because you couldn&#039;t put your foot down without sliding. And yes, if they laid down not a skim coat but a thick layer of asphalt, we&#039;d believe they really meant it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermoplastic, if not done competently, can be really slippery. The city had to re-do the boxes on Clinton at 39th because you couldn&#8217;t put your foot down without sliding. And yes, if they laid down not a skim coat but a thick layer of asphalt, we&#8217;d believe they really meant it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Time to Ditch Thermoplastic by Nick Falbo</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/its-time-to-ditch-thermoplastic/#comment-13376</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Falbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colored pavement is also a great way to celebrate local materials (if they are available.)

Bend, OR uses red asphalt, similar to the approach in the Netherlands. The material is locally sourced from a quarry with red volcanic rocks.

(see a picture of it on a cycle track in this slideshow: http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?a=228196&amp;c=34816   
and here in a bike lane: http://smartgrowthusa.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bendb2.jpg)

Regarding compliance with the MUTCD -  it&#039;s true that green coloring is easier to implement than other colors, though I&#039;m not sure if applies to colored rock pavement. I doubt Bend had to get approval for all of their red bike lanes because they are so pervasive, which leads me to believe it&#039;s purely a materials issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colored pavement is also a great way to celebrate local materials (if they are available.)</p>
<p>Bend, OR uses red asphalt, similar to the approach in the Netherlands. The material is locally sourced from a quarry with red volcanic rocks.</p>
<p>(see a picture of it on a cycle track in this slideshow: <a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?a=228196&#038;c=34816" rel="nofollow">http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?a=228196&#038;c=34816</a><br />
and here in a bike lane: <a href="http://smartgrowthusa.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bendb2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://smartgrowthusa.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bendb2.jpg</a>)</p>
<p>Regarding compliance with the MUTCD &#8211;  it&#8217;s true that green coloring is easier to implement than other colors, though I&#8217;m not sure if applies to colored rock pavement. I doubt Bend had to get approval for all of their red bike lanes because they are so pervasive, which leads me to believe it&#8217;s purely a materials issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Time to Ditch Thermoplastic by Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.activerightofway.org/p/its-time-to-ditch-thermoplastic/#comment-13374</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the biggest hurdle for Portland to begin implementing this type of design is the fact that contractors don&#039;t have the specialized equipment on hand and ready for bidding. With time, as more and more communities like this idea, the support will cause contractors to change their style as they realize they can make money from these designs without buying a large piece of equipment for a one-time use (even though we know it would be used MUCH more than just once, but they aren&#039;t sure about that yet...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the biggest hurdle for Portland to begin implementing this type of design is the fact that contractors don&#8217;t have the specialized equipment on hand and ready for bidding. With time, as more and more communities like this idea, the support will cause contractors to change their style as they realize they can make money from these designs without buying a large piece of equipment for a one-time use (even though we know it would be used MUCH more than just once, but they aren&#8217;t sure about that yet&#8230;)</p>
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